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Sunday, March 09, 2008

65°C Bread Loaf

There are many ways to bake or make bread. One of the rave in the recent years is the 65°C TangZhong (湯種) method which is said to produce soft and bouncy bread which keeps well too.

What is TangZhong (湯種)?
Apparently TangZhong dates back to ages ago where the Chinese uses hot water to cook their flour for dough which is used in the making of all sorts of noodles and dumpling skins. In recent years, this has extended to the use in the baking of bread and buns.

What is so different about this 65°C TangZhong then?

The difference lies in the temperature of the water used. In 65°C TangZhong the flour and water mixture is cooked to 65°C. At 65°C, the gluten in the flour absorbs the moisture and become leavened. This moisture absorbed at 65°C is then mixed to the main ingredients of the bread and hence the moisture in the bread dough will be heightened. The end result will be a softer and bouncier bread.

How to make 65°C TangZhong?
I used 250ml water and 50g bread flour.
Mix flour and water till it is smooth in a small saucepan.
Cook over medium heat and stirring constantly with a hand whisk to prevent burning. You will see lots of small bubbles forming on the top. Keep stirring and when the bubbles disappear, you will see streaks in the mixture for every stir you make with your whisk. Stop at this stage and you will have the 65°C TangZhong.

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Pour the hot TangZhong into a bowl and cover it with a piece of glad wrap with the wrap touching the surface of the mixture. This is to prevent a film from forming on the TangZhong.
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Leave the 65°C TangZhong to cool till room temperature before using it. Leftover TangZhong can be kept refrigerated and should be used within 3 days. All chilled TangZhong must return to room temperature before using. If your chilled TangZhong has turned greyish in colour, you should discard it.

This is the bread loaf that I made using 65°C TangZhong.
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Texture of bread.
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I used my bread machine to do the dough kneading twice in the dough cycle and achieve the membrane stage of the dough. If you achieve the membrane stage, it means that your bread is kneaded to the best stage.
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Ingredients:
250g bread flour
1 tbsp skim milk powder
80g TangZhong
105ml warm water
4g salt
25g sugar
5g dry yeast
25g butter

Method:
1. Dump all ingredients into the bread machine and start the dough cycle.
2. Once the dough cycle is completed which is 80 minutes for my bread machine, remove dough and punch out the air from it. Rest the dough for 15 minutes.
3. Divide dough into 2 pieces, shape into a long rectangular shape and roll it up swiss-roll style.
4. Place dough pieces into loaf pan and let it prove till about 85% full. I had to prove for about 75 minutes as the room temperature was about 19°C.
5. Cover the loaf pan with its lid and bake at 175 - 180°C for about 25 - 30 minutes.

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63 Comments:

At 10 March, 2008 10:34, Blogger Asan said...

Florence, thank you for your info on the two Taiwanese Bread Books...my brother is familar with the book company you mentioned so I am hoping he can buy the books for me.

I had made bread using the Tang Zhong method and indeed, the breads are super soft and wonderful...however, I could never attain the 65C temp (using an instant thermometer to measure) so I went by another blogger's suggestion (if I can see the pot bottom during stirring, cook another minute more)....do you actually take the temp of the 'paste' you are making?

 
At 10 March, 2008 13:46, Anonymous kim said...

Hi Florence, thanks for this recipe. It looks great and fluffy. I don't have a bread maker at home and was wondering if you had any ideas on how I can still make it without one?

 
At 10 March, 2008 14:38, Blogger Mindy said...

Hi Florence,

I have the same concern as Kim. Can we still make it without a bread maker machine?

Mindy

 
At 10 March, 2008 17:38, Blogger Rei said...

Hi Florence, would like to ask if you followed the recipe from YTower? Do we have to measure the temperature while making the 'Tang Zhong'? Will it be possible if we use the electric mixer to knead the dough? I don't have a bread machine. :p

Appreciate you can shed some light.

Many thanks
Rei

 
At 10 March, 2008 21:02, Blogger Aimei said...

Hi Florence, your bread looks so soft and fluffy! You make me so tempted to try out this tang zhong method even though I do not have much confidence. I'll try it one day when I think I have the time and patience. Hee...:)

 
At 10 March, 2008 22:25, Blogger KWF said...

Florence, I've seen this Tang Zhong method in one of my bread books, but have never understood it. Thanks for your detailed explanation. May try it one day.

 
At 10 March, 2008 22:52, Blogger MyHomeKitchen said...

Hi Florence,

So coincident! I just borrowed a book "65 deg C 汤种面包" by Yvonne C from the library! All the bakes looks so good! Have not tried yet, was put off by the method. However, after seeing your successful bakes was tempted to try soon. :)
May I know how do you measure the temperature? Do you use an instant read thermometer? MH

 
At 11 March, 2008 14:29, Blogger myCoffee said...

Hi Florence,
Can i bake the entire bread using the breadmaker(e.g., from dough stage to final bake)? TQ.

 
At 11 March, 2008 17:21, Blogger Florence said...

asan,
I did not measure the temperature, I just do with feel.

 
At 11 March, 2008 17:22, Blogger Florence said...

kim and mindy,
If you don't have a bread machine as do the bread as in how you would do it manually.

 
At 11 March, 2008 17:24, Blogger Florence said...

Rei,
I did not follow the Ytower recipe. My reference is 65C from Taiwan and hot water dough from Japan.
You can use the electric mixer to knead your dough if you don't have a bread maker.
I did not measure the temperature. Once the bubbles disappear when stirring and you can see streaks as in my photo you can actually stop the cooking process.

 
At 11 March, 2008 17:28, Blogger Florence said...

kwf,
You're welcome.

myhomekitchen,
Good! If you have the 65C book by Yvonne Chan, you should try it. I was prompted to try when I visited a Japanese bakery and saw the Chef/Pastisseur doing something similar but the Japanese style.
Must try!

 
At 11 March, 2008 17:29, Blogger Florence said...

mycoffee,
Yes, you can definitely bake the whole thing with your bread maker. Do let me know how it turns out ok!

 
At 12 March, 2008 03:09, Blogger Asan said...

I baked some stuffed buns yesterday using the tang zhong method and indeed the buns were soft and fluffy...my DS devoured them! This time, I did not bother to take the temperature as I could never attain the 65D before but your picture of the paste helped me gauge when to take the pot off the stove. I did not cook to this correct stage before...thank you so much. I truly treasure your blog, recipes and pictures! BTW, I will be able to order the two bread books from 66emart.com so I am excited now.

 
At 13 March, 2008 08:21, Blogger dumb-baker said...

Hi Florence,

I'm curious and really eager to try out your Tang Zhong method to bake breads. Should there be no unforseen circumstances, i'll be baking sausage buns with this Tang Zhong method tomorrow night. I hope it turns out as soft and yummy as your baked breads....shall let you know the result ya!
TIA for sharing the recipes! Luv your website a lot ;)

 
At 13 March, 2008 21:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Florence,

If I want to make a sweet bun, can I follow this recipe and increase the sugar to about 50-60g? Would I have to add extra yeast or anything?

Or should I follow your basic dough recipe provided for Choc Wassant and use that as my basic sweet bread?

Thank you so much for your guidance.

 
At 14 March, 2008 09:06, Blogger Florence said...

Hi,
Just increase sugar will do. :)

 
At 14 March, 2008 17:42, Anonymous Eve said...

Hi Florence,

250ml water and 50g bread flour call for how much of the TangZhong?

I would like to try your chocolate wassant recipe but do not know how much flour and water to use to get 100g of Tangzhong.

please advise

 
At 15 March, 2008 03:07, Blogger dumb-baker said...

Hi Florence,

Tried your Tang Zhong method today....i actually made sausage buns with the 65DC bread loaf recipe you posted. I find the dough a bit too sticky to handle after the proofing, i added a little more bread flour when shaping the sausage buns...
After baking them in oven, my goodness!!!... Its texture is super soft and it's really yummy! This recipe is certainly a keeper!! Thank you very much Florence.

 
At 16 March, 2008 09:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Florence, thanks for your post on the tangzhong method. It was so clear and concise that I was able to successfully make the first loaf manually since I do not possess a breadmaker. My question is if I want to make it more healthy and make a wholewheat loaf, how can I use the tangzhong? What should the proportions of wheat flour be in relation to the tangzhong and plain bread flour?

 
At 17 March, 2008 14:53, Blogger Passionate About Baking said...

Hi Florence,
How much TZ do I know I have to use? If I want to bake wholemeal bread with 125g bread flour, 125g wholemeal flour & 125ml water, how much TZ do I use? And how much remaining ingredients do I add for bread flour, wholemeal flour and water? Can you advise please? Thank you.

 
At 17 March, 2008 15:35, Blogger Florence said...

Passionate about baking,

For me I will use:
150g bread flour
100g wholemeal flour
110g water/milk or (30g egg + 80g liquid)
3.5g salt
26g sugar
5g yeast
60g tangzhong
26g butter

You'll need slightly more yeast because wholemeal flour less gluten in it.

IF you use 50% of bread flour and 50% of wholemeal flour, am afraid your bread will not rise.

Make sure you proof at about 38C for it to rise nicely before baking.

Hope this is of help!

 
At 17 March, 2008 15:40, Blogger Passionate About Baking said...

Hi Florence,
Thanks a lot for your advise. I will follow your recipe. But can you advise, for future recipes, what is the baker's percentage like? Btw, what happened to your Golden rule post? Has it been taken down? Thanks a lot Florence! I will keep you updated of the outcome. :)

 
At 19 March, 2008 23:09, Anonymous MayMay said...

Hi Florence,
May I know how much(as in weight) TZ would a 250ml water + 50g bread flour yield? Thanks :)

MayMay

 
At 19 March, 2008 23:43, Blogger Florence said...

MayMay,
Less than 300g of tangzhong!

 
At 21 March, 2008 02:28, Blogger bluechillies said...

Hi! I was wondering what kind of bread machine you were using. I would like to purchase one. You seem to get great results and your recipes are easy to follow.

 
At 21 March, 2008 20:51, OpenID wendy said...

hi florence!
your breads look fab :)

i have some questions abt tongzhong...i tried is just now but i made two portions - one is runnier and the other portion is thicker and more paste-like - i'm not sure which portion to use, as they both look like the colour of your tongzhong! any tips there?!?

btw, which brand/model of breadmaker do u use? I live in HK too so i might be able to get the same one as im thinking of investing in one ;)

i'm going to try the sausage buns tmr! hope they will come out well and thanks so much for your recipe! add oil with your baking adventures :)

 
At 22 March, 2008 19:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Florence, thank you for your wonderful recipes. I tried the tangzhong recipe and made buns with fillings yesterday. It was soooo good it disappeared in record time. So I attempted to make a loaf in the bread machine to save time last night. I added shredded cheese, ham and chopped onions. I left it in the pan overnight. Not sure what is the problem but the loaf baked fine but sank and it was very moist and lumpy at the bottom.

 
At 23 March, 2008 15:39, Blogger Passionate About Baking said...

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At 23 March, 2008 15:40, Blogger Passionate About Baking said...

Hi Florene.
I tried baking the wholemeal bread using the recipe advise by you. However, it didn't turn out as well as what I hope. I have a few questions on my bread:
1) It didn't rise to fill up the load pan & was very "short". Why was that so?
2) I found the yeast smell & taste too strong.
3) It wasn't sweet enough, was quite bland.
I added 40g of wholemeal into it, but before that, I soaked it in the milk.
I also want to know, is it necessary to use warm milk or water when using the water roux method?
I was taught in my baking school to use cold water so as to cool down the dough when we use the dough hook.
You can see the picture of my wholemeal bread here: http://bp1.blogger.com/_V-BVbN09rtE/R-N9GOfQ44I/AAAAAAAAFvE/Oz7Xh2RjQyk/s1600-h/IMG_8002.JPG
Thanks a lot Florence!

 
At 26 March, 2008 02:20, Anonymous brenda said...

Hi Florence,
Thanks for the detailed guide on how to make TZ. I just tried it & added it to my wholemeal bread, it was yummy! Finally the wholemeal bread has a nice, nutty, fluffy texture! I used the basic recipe u posted & just replaced the flour with wholemeal bread flour & used za'atar spices. All done using my Kenwood bread machine.
Definitely will use this recipe for my future breads!
Btw, any tips on how to store the bread so it'll still be moist the next day? Thank u!

 
At 27 March, 2008 11:39, Anonymous vien said...

Hi Florence,many thanks for sharing all the mouth watering recipes.
May I ask if this "65°C Bread Loaf" is softer and more fluffy than the Hokkaido Milk loaf?

Sometimes is very mafan to go out to get just the whipped cream for the HML.

Will stick to this recipe if just as soft.
Thanks again
From vien

 
At 28 March, 2008 10:21, Blogger Florence said...

bluechillies,
I posted my bread machine.

Wendy,
My TZ is runny instead of paste-like but I guess you can use both and compare the texture.
Do let me know the outcome.
I posted my bread machine.

 
At 28 March, 2008 10:28, Blogger Florence said...

Passionate about baking,
The recipe that I posted for you had been done by many students and their bread were ok. Don't know why it didn't work for you.
Will post details for you when I next do the TZ wholemeal loaf.

Brenda,
Thank you.
Glad you liked it.

Vien,
I like the 65C better than the Hokkaido because "mafun" to get whipping cream.
Try it. :)

 
At 28 March, 2008 16:21, Blogger Passionate About Baking said...

Hi Florence,
Thanks a lot. I will perserve to try again. I guess my skills are not up to standard yet. :p I will continue to try and see if it will improve. No worries! :)

 
At 31 March, 2008 07:26, Anonymous delia said...

Hi Florence,
Did your 65oC bread loaf but texture din come out nice like yours. The dough was very sticky. The next day I make another loaf of bread using my own recipe but adding in TZ and it came out very soft. Would like to know whether if we double the recipe for the wholemeal bread, then do we have to double the TZ? Thanks!

 
At 05 April, 2008 15:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you!

 
At 06 April, 2008 06:03, Anonymous eliza said...

Florence, i just read all the posts about this bread making technique. thank you so much for translatin the recipe to English, it helps me so much!

 
At 06 April, 2008 12:07, Blogger Florence said...

delia,
If you double the recipe you have to double the TZ accordingly.

 
At 06 April, 2008 12:08, Blogger Florence said...

eliza,
You're welcome!

 
At 08 April, 2008 10:54, Anonymous delia said...

Hi Florence,
Thanks for the reply. I actually did make another wholemeal bread using another recipe and adding in TZ. It was very soft indeed. I gave your recipe of TZ to one of my friend and she also gave thumbs up for it. It is truly a very, very good recipe. Thanks once again.

 
At 20 April, 2008 06:35, Anonymous pulupulu said...

Hi Florence, that bread looks so soft and delicate!

*How can I substitute bread flour with all-purpose and whole-wheat?
*When you said:"do the dough kneading twice in the dough cycle" ,does it mean after the first cycle you reset the machine and let it knead again?
Won't the machine burn?
Cuz the instruction of my bread machine said I should let the machine cool down before using it again.
*Can I use wooden spoon instead of whisk for stirring the TZ?

thank u for sharing recipe^0^

 
At 25 April, 2008 15:55, Blogger Gracianne said...

Hello Florence,
I am really tempted by this Tang Zhong method, thanks for the detailed recipe.
I have one question though - I live in France, we do not have the same types of flours. What exactly do you call bread flour? Is it plain, ot does it have additives, yeast, already included?
I will let you know how it turns out, once I make it.
Thanks.

 
At 27 April, 2008 07:52, Blogger Florence said...

Gracianne,
Bread flour is just high protein flour, it has no additives like yeast or anything else added.
Happy trying. :)

 
At 27 April, 2008 08:19, Blogger Florence said...

pulupulu,
How to knead twice using the bm dough cylce?
Let it do the mixing and kneading for the first 15 minutes of the dough cycle. After 15 minutes stop the dough cycle and restart it and let the cycle complete by itself this time.
Yes, you can use a wooden spoon.
You can use bread flour + wholemeal flour as the main dough but not the TZ. :)

 
At 30 April, 2008 23:05, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Florence, Tang Zhong is definitely new to me. Could you please advise whether TZ can be used in steam bun as well? Thank you.

 
At 01 May, 2008 16:22, Blogger mg said...

Hi Florence,

I tried your 65oC Bread today and it comes out very very nice. Thank yo so much for your great recipe and detailed instruction. Can I publish this on my blog ? Hope that you will permit.
Have a nice day.
mg

 
At 08 May, 2008 08:48, Blogger i love baking said...

hi Florence..

im making the 65°C Bread Loaf but the bread did not rise, when resting the dough what should i do? cover them up or just leave it out? What size loaf pan can i use, and also i do not have a loaf pan cover, what else should i use? aluminum foil?...

please help...
Thank you very much for your time.

 
At 08 May, 2008 11:59, Blogger Florence said...

I love baking,
Did you use a bread machine at all?
If you do not have a bread machine: - For the first prove, put the kneaded dough into a large stainless steel mixing bowl and cover it up with a piece of glad wrap and put it into an enclosed area for proving at about 28C.
** When I do not have a bread machine, I used to put the mixing bowl into my microwave oven(do not switch on the microwave) with a bowl of hot water to do my first prove. The microwave provided an enclosed environment and trapped the heat and moisture provided by the bowl of hot water making it very conducive for proving.

- After punching out the air, I put the dough back into the mixing bowl and rest it for 15mins at the same temperature as in first prove.

- Finally shape the dough and put it into your loaf pan and covered it with a piece of greased glad wrap and prove the dough at about 38C till it is about 80% full before you bake it.

Hope this is of help. :)

 
At 08 May, 2008 12:03, Blogger Florence said...

Hi,
The external size of my loaf pan is:
Length: 22cm
Width : 11cm
Height: 9.5cm

 
At 12 May, 2008 16:19, Blogger Canton Pixie said...

hi Florence,
I hv been following your blog and i wanted to say thank you so much for sharing this 65c TZ recipe.

i tried both the plain & wholemeal breads with great success.

everything was exactly as u said it would turn out!

for the wholemeal bread version, i did something crazy. i halved / quartered the amount of yeast, and let the dough proof for a few hrs. (i can't remember how long becuz i was busy doing other things at home). it rose nicely.

then, just as i was about to punch it down, i had to go out, and ended up leaving the dough in the fridge, when i came home after anohter 4-5 hrs, it had risen even further but it was too near bedtime, so i punched it down and left it in the fridge.

next morning, i was dismayed to find that the dough looked "collapsed" and was about to throw it away. i left it outside for a few hrs (while doing other household chores) and guess what? it rose and doubled nicely!

i managed to shape and bake as per your instructions - and it rose nicely and baked wonderfully. thank u florence!!

 
At 14 May, 2008 10:15, Blogger Florence said...

Canton pixie,
Thank you.
When you halved the yeast and chill the dough in the fridge for more than 12 hours, you are doing what is referred to as "low temperature fermantation (LTF)". This works very well and produces good product too!
When I worked with LTF, I chilled my dough for 17 -36 hours.
Good to know that in the end it turns out all well for your bread. :)

 
At 15 May, 2008 22:50, Blogger Canton Pixie said...

hi Florence,
i would like to learn more about the tz, would you please let me know which books were your reference? tks so much!

 
At 16 May, 2008 09:57, Blogger Florence said...

Canton Pixie,
The book is:
65C湯種

 
At 18 May, 2008 12:23, Blogger Canton Pixie said...

thanks Florence! is it by Yvonne C?

also, i wanted to consult u about your golden bread ratio. i couldn't find your post on it. did you take it down?

 
At 29 May, 2008 20:42, Blogger Celine said...

Florence,

Just wanna to let you know my family and I love this recipe. We think that it much better than the Hokkaido Milk Loaf!

This recipe has become the base for my loaves and buns.

Thanks so much for sharing the recipe. I am grateful and touched by your generosity.

Warmest regards,
Celine

 
At 31 May, 2008 13:59, Blogger Florence said...

Celine,
I like this TZ bread too!
Abit "mah fun" to always have whipping cream around to make the Hokkaido milk loaf.
It is also the base of many of my bread and buns bakes.

 
At 13 June, 2008 18:55, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Florence

Have tried several times using this 65% method in bread making. However, I could not get the results that you did. Please advice at which stage should I add the 'Tang Zhong' into the bread machine. What temperature should the 'Tang Zhong' be when being used?

Thanks in advance.

Regards
3princesses

 
At 14 June, 2008 16:04, Blogger Florence said...

3princesses,
For me, I put in water/milk/egg, sugar, salt, tangzhong, bread flour and yeast then start the dough cycle. About 8 -12 minutes later or when dough gathers into a ball form, add in the butter and let the machine continue with the kneading and then proving - this takes about 1 hr 20 minutes for my bread machine.
Use tangzhong at room temperature. It shouldn't be hot or cold when you use it.

 
At 16 June, 2008 01:09, Blogger Sanrio3138 said...

Hi Florence, do you split TZ into individual 80gm portions before you freeze them for later use? I'm afraid TZ'll spoil easily if the unused portion is in & out of the freezer. Thanks *o*

 
At 16 June, 2008 08:00, Blogger Florence said...

sanrio3138
I cook as per the recipe and scale out the amount I need.
TZ cannot be freeze, only keep chilled in the refrigerator.
I will discard all unused TZ after 3 days.
If you need less, maybe cook half recipe of the TZ.

 
At 18 June, 2008 13:52, Blogger Sanrio3138 said...

Dear Florence, I baked the bread on Monday. It was still soft the next day. Next, I would like to try your Wah Ko Kueh should you post the recipe. Thank you so much *o*

 
At 10 July, 2008 16:20, Anonymous Tim said...

Good Job!: )

 

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